Joanne: Hello. Welcome to Joanne Unleashed. Today’s guest is Rob Taylor. He’s running for the U.S. Senate seat in Wisconsin under the Constitution party, and we’re going to be discussing food and agriculture and the government’s role in the same. So welcome, Rob.
Rob: Well, thank you, Joanne, for having me on today.
Joanne: I’m really happy to have you. I’m excited to talk to you about some things that are going on in agriculture. So what I’d first like to start out with is what are some of the state agencies that are responsible for monitoring agriculture and food safety?
Rob: Well, the main one that we have here in Wisconsin is called the Department of Agriculture, Trade, and Consumer Protection, or DATCP for short. Their responsible for everything from animal welfare and disease, consumer protection, environmental farming, food safety, pesticides, marketing, and trade practices.
Joanne: So do they monitor all form of agriculture: small farms, large farms, big agribusiness?
Rob: Yep. They are the ones.
Joanne: Okay. And where do they get their funding?
Rob: Well, of course from us generous tax payers here in Wisconsin. They get some federal funding out of Washington from the USDA.
Joanne: Why are they receiving federal funding.
Rob: Wisconsin’s a very big milk and cheese state, and there’s a lot of trade that goes on overseas and the different countries. The federal funding comes in in helping with trade practices. There’s also a lot of regulations in the pesticides and in recent battles here with food safety.
Joanne: Okay, so the federal government steps in only when food is leaving the state, right?
Rob: Well, we would certainly like to think so, but it doesn’t seem to be that way. The Department here, DATCP, seems to be getting marching orders, if you will, from the USDA on how food is regulated and in particular, what some of the things we’re working with here, is the raw milk issue. As you may know, that’s in several states. The USDA wants apparently to control the raw milk and therefore passes it down to the state agency here to control.
Joanne: And what do you mean by they pass it down to the state agency? You mean they pass down their own directive?
Rob: Exactly.
Joanne: Isn’t that a Constitutional violation?
Rob: Yes, and that’s where a lot of us are in court. A lot of us are protesting and actually trying to get the state to write its own bill and not follow Washington’s orders. And there’s been several attempts at confiscation and arresting of people for selling raw milk because of that. So yes, it’s very un-Constitutional.
Joanne: So what are some of the directives that the USDA has passed down to the state regarding raw milk?
Rob: Basically what they want is to make it illegal for raw milk. They think that it’s a consumer protection issue and that raw milk is dangerous.
Joanne: But isn’t that for the state to decide?
Rob: Well, you would think that the state does have a controlling interest there, but apparently not. Because if you look at states like Iowa, Illinois, the Dakotas, they all are all of a sudden, they’ve been in the same legal precedence, if you will, in trying to outlaw raw milk. It’s those of us here that feel that that’s un-Constitutional and a violation of our rights, if you will, that have begun fighting back. We’re trying to make this on a state level and the state to regain and control the sale and use of raw milk, but we certainly see directives coming down from the USDA. You can look online and research it and see that they want a uniform practice throughout the United States.
Joanne: Of no raw milk, right?
Rob: That’s correct. We think that we know why, and we think we can certainly press the issues. But regardless, most of us, at least of my age anyway, grew up having raw milk and see its value and wonder why the pasteurization has to be in place. Because we don’t think that the value of our food, let’s say our milk, is that good anymore because of pasteurization. But I guess it’s trying to get a uniform legal system passed around throughout the whole United States.
Joanne: So why do you think the FDA is trying to outlaw milk?
Rob: Well, one, I think it’s called big corporate agriculture. We know that politicians, they get a lot of political esteem(?) and campaign funds from these Big Ag corporations. What raw milk actually does is it takes that away, and now we’re dealing with local farmers. We don’t think that they want to see that sort of competition.
Joanne: Yeah, I love their argument how what they say is if someone consumes raw milk and gets sick from it, then these pasteurized milk companies will hurt financially. I just don’t quite get that logic. They’re going to gain a customer is what they’re going to do!
Rob: Exactly. I think that they’re scared that people are going to go away from the Big Ag milk cultures and go back to local farmers. Certainly that’s what we want the ability to do so. But you’re right. I don’t understand that logic either. As a matter of fact, the more that we get into this and start looking at the rules and regulations, a lot of this really doesn’t make any sense unless you look at the competition side of it, you know?
Joanne: Yeah. I also note that they never advertise in the media the health benefits of raw milk, but any time anyone is suspected of getting ill from it, they advertise that far and wide.
Rob: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. There’s a lot of different conspiracies and rumors going around, but one of the things that I’m out to do is to set things straight with my campaign and running once I get in. We all know that if you follow the money, it will lead to somewhere, the why and where these regulations are coming from.
Joanne: Okay, so you’ve got the state agency, and it should be their responsibility to monitor all this and take care of food safety. And then, you know, I spoke with Doreen Hannes, and she talks about how the USDA comes up with initiatives like Know Your Farmer, promoting farmers markets, and then they get local agencies to sign onto that. But what they’re basically doing is signing a blank check for the USDA to later come along and change the rules and start telling the states what to do because they’ve received that funding and they’ve entered into the program. Is that correct?
Rob: That is absolutely correct. Recently, again, just looking at the raw milk, we had a bill that was on the table to be passed here in Wisconsin, and the governor vetoed it finally.
Joanne: You’re talking Doyle, right?
Rob: That’s correct. It was kind of interesting, because a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon, “Finally we got a raw milk bill, and they’re going to allow us raw milk,” and all of this. And I was one of the few that was actually against the bill. I’m a big believer in raw milk, but it just goes to show you that people don’t read the material that’s put in front of them. And after looking at this bill, it was so vague, and it opened up the door, as you say, for the government to write so many blank legislations and controls that it wasn’t funny. Now, the general public like that they got raw milk. That’s all they saw. But they didn’t see that the way the bill was crafted just left so many open doors for control that it was unbelievable.
Joanne: Another issue that bothers me is they come up with these laws and people vote for them because, yeah, they want the end effect of it, but what’s happening is now you’re putting like the production of raw milk under government control. I’m for allowing farmers to make raw milk and allow people to go and buy it from the farm without any kind of government interference.
Rob: Exactly.
Joanne: Why should my government tell me that I can go to a farm or not and purchase raw milk directly from a farmer and take the inherent risk of consuming raw milk. That’s my body and it’s my business!
Rob: Exactly. And that’s what we’re fighting for here. Just as an example, just one example from an excerpt from the bill, they wanted signs put up on a farm saying that raw milk was sold here, okay? And that’s all it said. But if you look at that line and think about it a little bit more, well, what kind of sign? How big are the signs? How far off the street do they have to be? Do they have to comply with the highway administration. And what it did was just open up the door for so much government control and heavy regulations for the local farmer that they wouldn’t be able to compete. I mean they might have to say that, okay, well your sign has to be 8 foot by 24 foot, and it has to follow all the rules and regulations of the highway department. And it has to be lit at night and all this. I mean they could come back and just issue all of this and be just totally cost-prohibitive for the poor little farmer.
Joanne: And what’s the whole point of having a sign that says Raw Milk Sold Here? What is that?!
Rob: Exactly. So none of this made any sense, right? That’s what I’m saying. And I was one of the ones that was definitely against this bill, because it was so open to government control. A lot of people didn’t see that. They didn’t want to read it. They only saw that raw milk was going to be legal.
Joanne: Did you get pushback from people because of your stance?
Rob: Actually, yes. I went down to Eau Claire, Wisconsin, which they had a forum on this bill. Unfortunately, they had about a thousand some people signed up to talk that day. I didn’t realize that it was first come, first served. I was invited to come down and make my point. But I was like 998 on the list. They never did get to everybody. But in talking to people in the hallway and the news reporters, people got real angry. They said, “No, I’ not for this bill.” They didn’t see the point that I was trying to make that I’m for raw milk. They just heard me say I’m against this bill. I think, you know, my friend Max Kane…
Joanne: Yeah, I interviewed him.
Rob: Okay. You know his story. And I’ve been a real supporter of him and going to his rallies and through all the courts and everything. Fortunately, things are looking pretty good for him. He’s one of the groups that totally understand where I’m coming from here. But people don’t understand. And it’s promoted that way on purpose to make it vague. “Hey, you got raw milk,” and there’s nothing else said about it that, you know, we’re actually going to come in here and have regulations, but don’t worry about what’s behind the curtain. But you get raw milk. So the general public’s pretty happy with that, until the agency starts cracking down.
Joanne: I see that a lot with a lot of bills that are coming out, you know, from different freedom parties. They want to have bills to make sure that the Senate reads bills before they’re passed. They come up with all these different bills that need to go through the process, but all the bills are really doing is telling the Senators and Congressman to do their job. The job that they’re already supposed to do after having taken an oath to defend the Constitution. So there are coming all these bills saying, okay, you’re violating all the laws, so we’re going to create yet another law to make you obey the previous law. What is that?!
Rob: Yeah. That’s a real good question, and that’s one of the reasons I’m in the race. Is trying to get some common sense back here. You’re absolutely right. Why do these people have to have a law to tell them what their job is? And it could make some sense, because the whole process has gotten so grotesquely large, and I think that our government, especially our federal government, has totally lost its way on what its job is supposed to be. Sometimes it looks like they’re just being reactionary instead of being proactive in making the laws. They’ve forgotten that their job is to make laws that are Constitutional.
Joanne: And enforce the laws that have already been made.
Rob: We all see right now, why should Arizona have to come up with a law that, it’s an enforcement law. Well wait a minute here. Who isn’t doing their job?
Joanne: Yeah. Could you talk a little bit about, I saw on your website the video on Rule of Law. Would you discuss that a little bit for the audience.
Rob: Basically, what it is a movement is to get the legislatures and the government back to Constitutional law. I mean we have so many laws out there that are not even close to being Constitutional at the federal level. The federal government is not a job agency. It’s not a welfare agency. It’s not a homosexual/gay marriage agency. It’s not, you know, all these different time-wasting sessions that go on that you and I pay for that is not even the federal government’s responsibility. What it is is a movement to get back to states rights and to push these things out from the federal government and push them back to the states. Because basically right now we’re getting to the point we can’t afford to do this anymore. We have to have people that are there making laws that are directed as the blueprint of the government has described it to be, and that’s the Constitution.
Joanne: Well there are some people that would say the Constitution is outdated and it needs to change with the times and be more flexible, and maybe its time has ended. What do you think about that?
Rob: I do not. I’m a very heavy Constitutionist. This has been a framework that was approved back by the founding fathers. When we saw it working to its full advantage, we were one of the most prosperous countries in the world. It is a blueprint that fully describes the balance of the powers to be between the three branches and of the states. And we have totally lost sight of that. Now, if there are things that are outdated, the Constitution gives us a tool or method to update it to a certain point, and that’s called an Amendment. But the basic Constitution we should be following. If indeed there’s a large people that don’t want this country run this way anymore, then there’s tools in the Constitution that allows for that. It’s gotten to be so grossly enlarged that it’s pathetic. And we all see where our taxpayer dollars go for. It’s time to get back to at least something of a basic government that we can control and get it back to the people and get representation that we know. Right now you’ve got the feds stepping in on states, what should be controlled at the state level. I’m a sitting City Councilman here in Cumberland, and we should be directing our own way at the local level on the way that the Constitution is set up. But we see mandates coming down from the feds to the state to the local level, and it’s like, “Wait a minute. We make the laws here. Not you. We know what’s going on. We know what’s best for us here.” We’ve totally gotten away from that, and Washington is just sucking in all of the power and all of our taxpayers’ dollars.
Joanne: I personally don’t drink raw milk. I mean I would if I could get easy access to it and could afford it at this time. But I’m still very interested in this issue, because it’s really going to set precedent for other issues. I mean if the federal government is allowed to say raw milk is illegal, then pretty soon they’re, I mean they’ve already said, like, sidewalk produce stands… I mean if I had a little farm and I wanted to put produce out on the sidewalk for people to buy it, in some places that’s illegal. And they’ve tried to pass animal identification act. They’ve tried to pass different acts that would control agriculture and animal husbandry on small farms. And I just don’t really think it’s any of the federal government’s business to tell me what I’m going to do with the animals on my farm, or if I grow some lettuce, whether or not I can sell it to a neighbor. So the raw milk, it’s the crucible under which we’re going to show the federal government whether or not we’re going to allow them to begin controlling us or not. And so that’s why I’m so interested in the raw milk issue.
Rob: It is the precedence that we have to stand upon and be the framework that shows the federal government that you can’t come down here and tell us what to do. Now if you look in other countries, especially dictator, I wouldn’t say community countries, but ones that are run by dictators and such, like South America, they cannot grow their own vegetables. You have to go out and buy it from an Ag corporation. Again, it gets back to follow the money. All of these laws and all of these regulations are controlled by something, or some means. And if you look at it from a money point of view, it makes the most sense, because what’s happening is that the big mega-farms, they’re having to deal with the competition of smaller farmers. And people love going to sidewalk, you know, roadside stands and things of this nature. They want you to buy their stuff from their selected stores and that’s it. They don’t want you going out and buying raw milk or fresh vegetables or whatever you want, and it’s called control. And that control is to make sure that they are getting the money from you, and they are, therefore, giving campaign contributions, and lobbying up a storm there in D.C. to make sure all these laws get passed down. And that’s my firm belief. I’ve watched this for many years as a business guy and engineer. You want to look at the root cause of why these problem exist, and the money makes the most sense. It’s like why would the federal government want to step in and be this controlling? Look at where they’re getting their funding from, you know? Look at where the politicians that are controlling them are getting their campaign funds from and contributions and everything. It borders on treason. I’m sorry. That’s just my personal feeling and what I’ve seen in the last couple years, and that’s the reason I’m running. We’ve got things that are terribly wrong here and out of line, and we as the American people have to get them back. And the raw milk movement is certainly a group of dedicated people and professionals that are looking to do just that.
Joanne: So how do we get it back? How do we kick out the feds and get back freedom of food choice?
Rob: Well, certainly one of the things that we have to make sure that the states get powerful enough that they can tell Washington, “No. Get out of our business.” And that happens from the local level of the people electing the right people at the state Assembly and the state Senate.
Joanne: But then they also join hands with the federal government because they’re lacking funds. They either have to tax the Citizenry to get more funds to pay for all the bloated state government, or they get the money from the feds. I mean how many local politicians are willing to cut salaries and cut jobs to kick the feds out?
Rob: Well, that’s exactly it. And that’s what we have to get back to. When you look at your personal budget and realize that you’re spending too much, then you start cutting out things. That’s what the caliber of people that we have to get into office is to be willing to make those kind of sacrifices.
Joanne: Kind of like our founding fathers, huh?
Rob: Well, exactly. You have to be responsible. And that’s what it really comes down to. We can’t keep spending money on programs that one, don’t work, it’s not for the people and that’s only giving more power to Washington. So at the local level we have to start cutting out things, and we have to demand that the state itself start demanding that Washington starts cutting out its budget, okay, and programs and everything draining us and sucking our life out, you know?
Joanne: I was reading David Gumpert’s book, The Raw Milk Revolution, about these farmers where the state agency had come, they were basically just henpecking them to death, because they had created an LLC and a buying club. And so the state agencies came, and at one point, what they did is they called the sheriff, because the state agency didn’t have a warrant. So they called the sheriff, and the sheriff came out and told the people to leave the property. And the sheriff has this authority. I’m wondering how can we get more sheriffs involved in protecting the people of their county against this federal harassment.
Rob: Well, now, Joanne, that’s a very good question. And what I go around the state is speaking on that exact same subject. The first line of defense are our local sheriffs. They’re the only ones that have the power to form militias or posses. And they have the power to deflect federal interference. So what we have to do is become more aware, and this is where again the voters and the Citizenry don’t realize how much power our local sheriff’s should have. And we have to make sure that these people, they are our first line of defense, that these people, once they take on this job, they will uphold the Constitution of the United States and protect the people in their county. And we don’t have that. There are very few sheriffs in the country that will actually practice their job. I live in the county of Barron here in Wisconsin, and we’ve spoken to our sheriff. And there’s no way that he would stand up against the federal government. Nothing like this guy out in Arizona. Right now his name escapes me, but we know who he is. There are very few sheriffs that will step up and actually do their job, and what we have to do is get these people out. We have to put in solid law enforcement sheriff types that recognize their first job is the Citizens.
Joanne: Basically we all have to become students of the Constitution and demand that those people running for any kind of seat in government are also students of the Constitution, right?
Rob: Exactly. If it requires going away from American Idol for a little bit and maybe looking up who we’re trying to elect into office, then that’s what we need to do. I mean we have to get back to become knowledgeable people. It absolutely amazes me how many distractions we have. Yes, we want to relax and all this, but the people that are running and want power will not relax. We have to be on top of it. It’s a daunting task, because every time we turn around there’s some other issue that we have to pay attention to, but at least back to the basics. At least understand who’s your sheriff and who’s your state legislation people. Right now it tends to be if you’ve got an R or D, then I’m going to vote for the party and that’s it, and that’s all I care to know about. You know, we have to do a better job.
Joanne: I guess if people want to eat the food that they want to eat, they’re going to have to get involved in politics, because otherwise they’re going to lose that right. Because we see it happening already.
Rob: Well, I don’t think that there’s too many people who even realize that their rights are slipping away. I mean one day they’re going to wake up and say, “Wow, what happened here?” As for people in the raw milk movement, I’m just using that as a platform, that are at least starting to educate and notify people that there are rights that are being taken away from them and it’s time to wake up. So my hat is definitely off to this group. They certainly have awakened me and allowed me to research it more, so at least there are people out there that are at least trying. We just have to try to do a better job of spreading the word to our neighbors and everybody else to get involved, you know?
Joanne: People need to get involved, get to know who your farmers are and support them, get to know who the sheriff is, and vote these crooks out of office. We should replace every single one! Just replace them all. And send the message, “I don’t care what the party is. All of you are being replaced because you’re passing bills that the Citizenry has voted against.” I mean healthcare, what was it, like 70 percent of the population was against it?
Rob: Oh, it’s not, more.
Joanne: Opening ANWR. The population’s against that, and they keep trying to open ANWR to oil drilling. I mean the population has spoken, and our government, who is supposed to be a representative government, is not represented us. They’re representing corporate interests. So they all just need to go.
Rob: Exactly. Between corporate interest, and I believe you’ve done some research and work on the Agenda 21, between the large corporations and the United Nations, yes, every single one needs to go. They’ve all been corrupted.
Joanne: I have studied a little bit in our history, and I remember back, I was reading a book, The Web of Debt by Ellen Hodgson, I think her name was. And she talked about the history of our money when our government was minting its own coin or it was creating its own money. We flourished. The government at that time, they made their own money. They would loan it out to businesses and individuals at a very low interest rate, and then they would pay for public works. You know, if they wanted a bridge built, they would create the money to pay for that, and the money that paid for the bridge was put into the circulation that allowed it to cover the interest on the loans they had made. Because if you loan $10 and you charge $1 interest, and there’s only $10 in circulation, where does that $1 come from? It doesn’t exist. So when the government created money and put it out into public works and paid for those, then it had the money to cover the interest on these low notes. And we prospered so well until those in England decided, well, we can’t allow this to happen, and they told the United State (well, it wasn’t the United States at the time), they told our country, “You can’t make your own money anymore.” And we just fell into poverty at that point.
Rob: It’s a very interesting story. Like I said, if you go back historically and start looking at this, we fell into listening to England and therefore, you know, the creation of the Federal Reserve, and getting away from gold standards, and not minting our own money. It’s an absolutely fascinating story. It’s too bad it’s real. We have absolutely just killed ourselves since the 1900s when the people started acting on these theories, and we’ve been in trouble ever since.
Joanne: Do you think we can get our country back to its former glory?
Rob: I absolutely think so. I believe that, yes. I believe that we have seen the problems. We have seen that at least we know, we’re aware that we’re off-track. There are a few that actually know how to get this country back on track. And I think yes, we can. I don’t think it’s too late, but we’re going to have to be real. We’re going to have to have Citizens that are aware. We’re going to have to have Citizens that participate. And we’re going to have to have leaders that have guts and the ability to get away from lobbyists and the money in their pockets and whatever it takes to drive people to corruption. We’re just going to have to have people that have the guts to break away from all that, and lead, and follow the blueprint of the original country.
Joanne: Yeah. Geez, how do we find those people? How do you recognize someone like that?
Rob: That’s a good question. And somebody who’s trying to be one, it is hard to get recognized. Again, if you’re not in the favor of the media, you’re not going to get noticed if indeed you’re not the big parties, you’re not going to get noticed. But we’re working awful hard. There are those of us who know and love this country and know what it’s going to take to get it back, and we’re not letting any of those obstacles get in our way. If we have to get out on food and spread the word, that’s what we’re doing. If we can just spread enough and get into office and get rid of the corruption, then yes, we can. If we don’t, if we keep following the same patterns, then I don’t know. That’s a good question. How much longer are we going to be operating like this before we definitely reach the point of no return. And I think that will happen too if we don’t change.
Joanne: People who are interested in just buying some vegetables at a farmers’ market might think that all this talk about the government and the Constitution and all this stuff is just too much, and what does it have to do with food? The example that really strikes home to me is when the FDA went to a church bake sale and closed it down because the pies had not been cooked in an approved facility. That is ludicrous! Why are they that interested that they’re going to shut down a church bake sale?! That makes no sense to me. And that people aren’t outraged and don’t like kick them off the property but just go along with it. I don’t get that.
Rob: Well, I think that people have been conditioned, you know, obey your government. The government knows what’s best. We’ve been conditioned like that for over 100 years now. They’ve done an excellent job of conditioning the people.
Joanne: Yeah, but the people are the government.
Rob: Again, they’ve done an excellent job of conditioning the people, and most people don’t think that they are anymore, you know? I get so many, “What can I do? What can I do?” Well, let me just give you one example of why I’m running. I got tired of complaining. I’m tired of complaining, I’m tired of writing letters, I’m going to get out here and do something about this. We can only hope that other people are following along and that they’re starting to listen to… I’m not saying I’m perfect or have the answers. I believe that I do. I believe that getting back to a Constitutional government is what’s going to save this country, and there’s a lot of people starting to listen. But I tell you, it’s a hard battle because people either want to watch their American Idol or they have no knowledge whatsoever in their politics. Even locally. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day, and I was telling him things. He looked at me. I could have been talking to a deer. “You need to become more aware. I mean don’t you read the newspaper or do you just believe everything that you’re fed? Don’t you think about this stuff anymore?” His answer was shockingly, “No, I don’t. I guess I need to start looking at it.”
Joanne: Yeah, well, people are pretty burdened these days, you know. They’re in debt, their businesses are failing, they’re losing their homes. Everything is expensive. I mean it’s ridiculous what things cost right now. Of course that’s because our dollar’s been completely devalued. But imagine what life would be like if we didn’t have income tax. Woo hoo. Of course the prices of everything would go up now that we’d have more money, you know, everything would cost more.
Rob: Yeah. Maybe if we got rid of some of this bureaucracy and rules and regulations, we might just see prices go back down.
Joanne: Yeah. Well I understand that the 16th Amendment that created the IRS wasn’t even properly ratified by all the states.
Rob: It was not. It is what I would consider an illegal Amendment, and therefore the IRS and the personal federal income tax is illegal.
Joanne: And I heard that there was a sheriff that wouldn’t allow IRS agents onto the property of his constituents, because he considered them an illegal agency. A criminal agency actually.
Rob: Yeah, I believe that this person is out in Montana, if I’m not mistaken. See, here’s another one of these sheriffs that know what their job is and recognizes that the IRS, you will not be coming in here unless you have approval from me to talk to me people. You’re an illegal agency, and therefore we don’t recognize you, and no, you don’t come in here.
Joanne: Could you imagine if every county had a sheriff like that? The freedom that we would have?
Rob: Absolutely exactly. And that’s what we have to do. We have to get down and start at the base and get sheriffs that can operate in that world and recognize illegal laws. Both the 16th and the 17th were never ratified, and they’re both illegal.
Joanne: It’s a big subject. So basically people need to start getting involved. Just go a step at a time. Learn a little, learn about the Constitution, find out who’s representing you at the local and state level. And if someone wanted to get involved and run for office, where would they start.
Rob: Well, I tell you, what I’m asking people is that we need good county, county being the sheriffs and of course then you have county administrators and all, but definitely at the sheriff level and at the state legislation level. We need people at the state that will tell Washington, “No.” And by doing so, we can continue to be United States and not look at states leaving the union like there are talks of some states doing. But if we get more states that nullification, they tell Washington, “No,’ then we can get back to being united again and fighting this corruption, this District of Corruption, as I call it, on the East Coast.
Joanne: Well, Rob, I thank you so much for your time. Is there anything else you’d like to add before we end this discussion?
Rob: I just would like to add that the raw milk movement is a good place for people to start looking. It gives you some basic rights that are being away. And one of the things that are important is your food. So we can start seeing how important this is, and if people can ? in this movement, then they can start looking at, it will broaden their horizon and open up their eyes to some of the many thousands of other problems that we have and our rights being taken away. So if we can start getting people to look at this issue, then I believe that they’ll become knowledgeable and awakened.
Joanne: All right. Thanks a lot, Rob.
Rob: Joanne, thank you very much, and I hope you have a nice day.